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hexator 43 minutes ago [-]
What the US government is doing here is a perversion of justice. Anyone running web services critical of those in control of the US government should be extremely concerned.
theultdev 30 minutes ago [-]
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hexator 26 minutes ago [-]
If the US government can designate their ideological opponents as terrorists without due process or any real justification, then nobody is safe.
tyrabound 20 minutes ago [-]
Yes, nobody is safe from the terrorist parasite that has a stranglehold on the whole west and operates out of the USA form its various operational control centers.
We crossed that threshold a long time ago, it's just becoming more and more apparent. It will get worse from here because we have crossed the event horizon.
swerner 21 minutes ago [-]
They’ve been doing this since the post-9/11 DHS initiative, at least.
chaps 13 minutes ago [-]
That doesn't make it any less important to recognize when it happens.
theultdev 21 minutes ago [-]
I was against the Feds designating Juggalos as a "loosely-organized hybrid gang". That was ridiculous.
But this is not the same. Antifa leaders and cell members have been charged and convicted, getting caught coordinating riots.
And we all saw the "summer of love" in 2020. Personally I want to see more accountability.
I know Antifa may be popular here, but those riots ruined businesses, got people killed, and caused an enormous amount of damage.
4MOAisgoodenuf 12 minutes ago [-]
Who is the leader of Antifa?
Does a charge and conviction mean that this action is good or morally justified? If so then your issue with the feds designating Juggalos as a hybrid gang would be contradicted.
This action follows the administration's established pattern of trying to tie political dissent in the US to unrelated foreign actors (often the Kurdish PKK) so that they can lay the legal footing to prosecute Americans as being actors under the control of "Foreign Terrorist Organizations"
theultdev 3 minutes ago [-]
That's a silly rubric. Loosely organized groups have cells with leaders, not a single one.
That specific Antifa chapter's cell leaders can be found in the link above.
The KKK didn't have a single leader either after WWII, it was distributed chapters. So does that mean they weren't a terrorist group anymore?
And the Juggalo fans didn't coordinate to go riot, not the same.
MSFT_Edging 5 minutes ago [-]
It's laughable to call that an "antifa cell", especially as they're abusing terrorism charges to send someone away for life for moving zines.
We have white-nationalist groups actually organizing and training. Shipping in Khaki clad warriors in box trucks to shout slurs and intimidate people.
We have videos of said groups doing weapons training like the Al Qaeda training videos of the 2000s.
Antifa? Your primary source is one of the greatest abortions of justice we've seen this decade.
mindslight 10 minutes ago [-]
> And we all saw the "summer of love" in 2020. Personally I want to see more accountability.
I presume you mean starting with accountability for the police riots? State organized violence is much more significant problem than decentralized violence by individuals. Witness: we already have straightforward systems of accountability for individuals caught in engaging in violent acts while protesting - they're straightforward crimes written down, enforced, and prosecuted every day. While state violence, even with open and shut video evidence (eg lines of police marching down a street and slashing every car's tires), gets handwaved away as some kind of perversely necessarily official action. Never mind how the far right terrorist contingent has now found a home in federal "law enforcement" where they're encouraged to summarily execute uppity women and 2A enthusiasts. Crime is less concerning than organized crime is less concerning than highly organized crime, right?
pastemato 26 minutes ago [-]
This is the same government that called Alex Pretti a terrorist after executing him in the street
truthseer 14 minutes ago [-]
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ceejayoz 10 minutes ago [-]
> Certainly not an angel
If that's punishable by death, there'll be about ten people left. And Dolly died yesterday.
angeldimitrov94 14 minutes ago [-]
As long as the same lens is applied equally to far-right and white supremacist groups, then this is fine.
This question is rhetorical with this administration, however.
You know you don't have to always accept government overreach under the guise of "fairness." It's not fair, it was never fair, why are you expecting it to be fair?
Just look at how the US treats "ecoterrorists" versus white supremacist; or if you want historical examples look at how the FBI treated labor groups versus fascists ones in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s (no need to worry about the decades after, they killed enough leaders to stop leftwing voices in the US).
Why US financial sanctions against an EU-based non-profit? Making it harder to accept money from the US does not seem like quite the right tool. Are they known to be primarily sponsored by US individuals, or depending on other service providers with US presence?
eesmith 10 minutes ago [-]
It means no use of Visa or American Express bank cards, which are US companies.
I think SWIFT transactions are under US control.
No use of Apple, Google, Amazon, AirBnB, Uber, or other US-based services.
Actual title: "Treasury Takes Action Against Violent Far-Left Terrorist Networks"
mindslight 26 minutes ago [-]
Why would we want to propagate a framing created by a far right terrorist network, just because they've managed to capture the bully pulpit? It's not required to pick any extremist organizations to support, you know.
Luker88 24 minutes ago [-]
This means that all involved will have their google/apple/whatever account blocked and revoked, correct?
No more services from the USA.
Their websites seems to be based on gandi.net, and this document is threatening secondary sanctions. Will be interesting to check the fallout.
I hope the guys will be able to scramble and move registrars and backup all their data from any service they use personally.
Good luck.
tyrabound 23 minutes ago [-]
The far more worrying development is that Tyrant Trump has declared the Palestine Action organization an official terrorist organization, to whatever degree it is an organization at all. Have there actually been threats or acts of violence with political objectives or are we just now calling everything the ruling maniacs don't like a terrorist, as I predicted before the "patriot" act was magically pulled out of a desk on 9/12 and rammed through congress in 6 weeks, before the dust had even settled over the rubble of the twin towers?
That should worry anyone, regardless of whether you agree with them or not unless they have perpetrated some kind of violent acts to scare people in pursuit of political aims like the US government. Trump may only be able to be a Tyrant for about 31 more months at best unless he goes full tilt, but the precedent he is setting will be used against any and all civic and resistance organizations that the ruling maniacs don't like in the future too.
I do not say this lightly, but everyone should be getting serious about what their plans will be when tyranny goes full mask off in the USA and your house and your land and your stuff all the sudden is said to belong to someone else and if you oppose that, you are a terrorist whose children deserve to be shot in the head by government snipers as the try to get water so they don't die of dehydration. No one ever thinks it will affect them, but you are already in the cage, the door is just not closed yet and it's clad in a pleasant facade. What happens when the psychopathic Epstein clan is facing total loss of power because the bond market has collapsed from their evisceration of all trust in the USA and they send their police and military goons after you as you try to scrounge for food to feed your family like in Palestine/gaza? You are the Gazans of tomorrow, you just don't know it yet.
stackedinserter 39 minutes ago [-]
I was told that there's no such thing as Antifa.
wat10000 26 minutes ago [-]
Indeed, there's no such organization. Is this supposed to be some sort of gotcha?
BryantD 31 minutes ago [-]
Ha ha, but no, you weren’t. You were told that there’s no such thing as an organized centralized group called Antifa. You were told that it’s an ideological approach to fighting fascism, not a terrorist organization. You were told that labeling antifa as a terrorist organization was going to be an excuse for bringing sanctions against anyone Trump’s administration happens to dislike.
And all of that is true.
theultdev 26 minutes ago [-]
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hexator 24 minutes ago [-]
It's not a loosely organized group, it's a label applied (by the right) to many different groups with little to no coordination operating in entirely different places
swerner 10 minutes ago [-]
It may have a different connotation in the US than in Europe. In US media I’ve only heard the term being used recently, in Europe it’s been around for decades.
In Europe, “Antifascist” is a label that people groups use to describe themselves, similar to how other describe themselves as patriot or pacifist. Someone carrying an Antifa flag at a protest is maybe comparable to someone carrying a Gadsden flag at a right wing rally.
hexator 5 minutes ago [-]
Yeah, basically this. People have been calling themselves Antifascist, but only the right-wing calls it "Antifa". Literally anyone carrying a sign at a protest that says "Reject Fascism" is an antifascist. Those are the people the US government is calling terrorists.
mindslight 34 minutes ago [-]
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
But at this point "To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world" is seemingly more relevant.
downrightmike 37 minutes ago [-]
Boomers really hate their parents. The Greatest Generation didn't raise them well
tclancy 32 minutes ago [-]
I’d do my Gen X duty and trash them both, but we are turning into old people every time I look around. Not just literally, but the mindset. Our mating call is “We drank from hoses and we survived!”
That said, I think a true Greatest Generation would not consist so heavily of guys who sit in the car while their wives grocery shop.
tyrabound 7 minutes ago [-]
The Greatest Generation was just flattery propaganda that you use to manipulate people. It'a a bit complicated, but Boomers didn't actually have real functional control over the actions of the USA until about the mid 90s when they ascended to business, political control, and electoral impact. Yes, even though their parents were really The Most Awful Generation, the boomers kind of are left the useful idiots holding the bag in many ways as they were majorly psyopped all their life to similar but different degrees and for different purposes as the millennial, gen z, and Gen Alpha were abused and brainwashed through social media and "TV".
What you ascribe to boomers is really the fault of the most awful generation. For context, the oldest boomers were only 22 during the civil rights era and the youngest were 12. You were never told that and you never noticed it, did you?
We crossed that threshold a long time ago, it's just becoming more and more apparent. It will get worse from here because we have crossed the event horizon.
But this is not the same. Antifa leaders and cell members have been charged and convicted, getting caught coordinating riots.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-antifa-cell-members-no...
And we all saw the "summer of love" in 2020. Personally I want to see more accountability.
I know Antifa may be popular here, but those riots ruined businesses, got people killed, and caused an enormous amount of damage.
Does a charge and conviction mean that this action is good or morally justified? If so then your issue with the feds designating Juggalos as a hybrid gang would be contradicted.
This action follows the administration's established pattern of trying to tie political dissent in the US to unrelated foreign actors (often the Kurdish PKK) so that they can lay the legal footing to prosecute Americans as being actors under the control of "Foreign Terrorist Organizations"
That specific Antifa chapter's cell leaders can be found in the link above.
The KKK didn't have a single leader either after WWII, it was distributed chapters. So does that mean they weren't a terrorist group anymore?
And the Juggalo fans didn't coordinate to go riot, not the same.
We have white-nationalist groups actually organizing and training. Shipping in Khaki clad warriors in box trucks to shout slurs and intimidate people.
We have videos of said groups doing weapons training like the Al Qaeda training videos of the 2000s.
Antifa? Your primary source is one of the greatest abortions of justice we've seen this decade.
I presume you mean starting with accountability for the police riots? State organized violence is much more significant problem than decentralized violence by individuals. Witness: we already have straightforward systems of accountability for individuals caught in engaging in violent acts while protesting - they're straightforward crimes written down, enforced, and prosecuted every day. While state violence, even with open and shut video evidence (eg lines of police marching down a street and slashing every car's tires), gets handwaved away as some kind of perversely necessarily official action. Never mind how the far right terrorist contingent has now found a home in federal "law enforcement" where they're encouraged to summarily execute uppity women and 2A enthusiasts. Crime is less concerning than organized crime is less concerning than highly organized crime, right?
If that's punishable by death, there'll be about ten people left. And Dolly died yesterday.
This question is rhetorical with this administration, however.
Just look at how the US treats "ecoterrorists" versus white supremacist; or if you want historical examples look at how the FBI treated labor groups versus fascists ones in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s (no need to worry about the decades after, they killed enough leaders to stop leftwing voices in the US).
I think SWIFT transactions are under US control.
No use of Apple, Google, Amazon, AirBnB, Uber, or other US-based services.
Eg, "Canadian judge Kimberly Prost is unable to use credit cards or access everyday services in what she calls an attack on the independence of the judiciary " - https://www.irishtimes.com/world/us/2025/12/12/its-surreal-u...
No more services from the USA.
Their websites seems to be based on gandi.net, and this document is threatening secondary sanctions. Will be interesting to check the fallout.
I hope the guys will be able to scramble and move registrars and backup all their data from any service they use personally.
Good luck.
That should worry anyone, regardless of whether you agree with them or not unless they have perpetrated some kind of violent acts to scare people in pursuit of political aims like the US government. Trump may only be able to be a Tyrant for about 31 more months at best unless he goes full tilt, but the precedent he is setting will be used against any and all civic and resistance organizations that the ruling maniacs don't like in the future too.
I do not say this lightly, but everyone should be getting serious about what their plans will be when tyranny goes full mask off in the USA and your house and your land and your stuff all the sudden is said to belong to someone else and if you oppose that, you are a terrorist whose children deserve to be shot in the head by government snipers as the try to get water so they don't die of dehydration. No one ever thinks it will affect them, but you are already in the cage, the door is just not closed yet and it's clad in a pleasant facade. What happens when the psychopathic Epstein clan is facing total loss of power because the bond market has collapsed from their evisceration of all trust in the USA and they send their police and military goons after you as you try to scrounge for food to feed your family like in Palestine/gaza? You are the Gazans of tomorrow, you just don't know it yet.
And all of that is true.
In Europe, “Antifascist” is a label that people groups use to describe themselves, similar to how other describe themselves as patriot or pacifist. Someone carrying an Antifa flag at a protest is maybe comparable to someone carrying a Gadsden flag at a right wing rally.
But at this point "To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world" is seemingly more relevant.
That said, I think a true Greatest Generation would not consist so heavily of guys who sit in the car while their wives grocery shop.
What you ascribe to boomers is really the fault of the most awful generation. For context, the oldest boomers were only 22 during the civil rights era and the youngest were 12. You were never told that and you never noticed it, did you?